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		<title>By: Centrist</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2009/02/18/a-time-for-smaller-government/comment-page-1/#comment-1193</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By specialization I mean of governmental roles.  I&#039;m saying I couldn&#039;t be as good a DMV guy, or judge, or civil engineer as one who is dedicated exclusively to that as his career.  I agree that government stifles innovation and the market (sometimes for the better, because the market has no conscience), but government functions best  on an operational and tactical level---not on a strategic level---when there are career bureaucrats doing what they do best and what I could not accomplish if I were doing it part-time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By specialization I mean of governmental roles.  I&#8217;m saying I couldn&#8217;t be as good a DMV guy, or judge, or civil engineer as one who is dedicated exclusively to that as his career.  I agree that government stifles innovation and the market (sometimes for the better, because the market has no conscience), but government functions best  on an operational and tactical level&#8212;not on a strategic level&#8212;when there are career bureaucrats doing what they do best and what I could not accomplish if I were doing it part-time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more comment and I&#039;ll stop. Many of the jobs that the Centrist mentions are absolutely essential roles of government; they are the reason society and government exist: Police, judges, prison guards. Others (librarian, bus driver) are important roles to be controlled by local government.

I think that those who want smaller government don&#039;t necessarily want no government at the local level, they just want to pare down federal government to a more manageable, accountable, and effective size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment and I&#8217;ll stop. Many of the jobs that the Centrist mentions are absolutely essential roles of government; they are the reason society and government exist: Police, judges, prison guards. Others (librarian, bus driver) are important roles to be controlled by local government.</p>
<p>I think that those who want smaller government don&#8217;t necessarily want no government at the local level, they just want to pare down federal government to a more manageable, accountable, and effective size.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more comment regarding economies of scale; this from the book Three Cups of Tea (great reading for anyone interested in humanitarian organizations built from the ground up that make a real difference in the world): &quot;In one of the most remote villages of northern Pakistan, he built as school in twelve weeks that was vastly superior to anything the Pakistani government could have built, and at half the cost of a project that would have taken the government years to finish.&quot; 

The man who built the school had a vested interest in building it. It was for his village, for his children. Government can never duplicate that drive, that motive. The Centrist is right that government can raise money quicker than can venture capitalists, but the gov&#039;t has little interest in being efficient or producing high quality stuff while the entrepreneur has a profound interest in doing both of those things if they are to succeed.

Just a couple of thoughts. Fundamentally I don&#039;t think we understand the essential role that self-interest plays in human decision-making. If we continue to disregard it, we will continue to make poor economic decisions for ourselves and our country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment regarding economies of scale; this from the book Three Cups of Tea (great reading for anyone interested in humanitarian organizations built from the ground up that make a real difference in the world): &#8220;In one of the most remote villages of northern Pakistan, he built as school in twelve weeks that was vastly superior to anything the Pakistani government could have built, and at half the cost of a project that would have taken the government years to finish.&#8221; </p>
<p>The man who built the school had a vested interest in building it. It was for his village, for his children. Government can never duplicate that drive, that motive. The Centrist is right that government can raise money quicker than can venture capitalists, but the gov&#8217;t has little interest in being efficient or producing high quality stuff while the entrepreneur has a profound interest in doing both of those things if they are to succeed.</p>
<p>Just a couple of thoughts. Fundamentally I don&#8217;t think we understand the essential role that self-interest plays in human decision-making. If we continue to disregard it, we will continue to make poor economic decisions for ourselves and our country</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Centrist states: &quot;This is why we have government. Because it provides that same specialization that too many of us spit out as “bureaucracy&quot;.&quot;

I would argue that government actually stifles specialization and promotes sameness in thinking. Institutions are very problematic in this regard. Big corporations also suffer from the same disease of being so big that they can&#039;t get over themselves. Government agencies are not designed to think outside the box. The creativity and problem-solving that needs to take place is rarely going to be found in government or large corporations. It&#039;s going to be found in the Swiss patent office or Buckminster Fuller&#039;s living room.

I really agree with Thoreau&#039;s take on what moves the country forward:

“This government never of itself furthured an enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it (the government) got out of its (the enterprise’s) way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got it its way.”

This is why I don&#039;t think the stimulus or trusting fixing the economy to the government will work. It will always be up to us &quot;the People&quot; as to whether things will change. Pres. Obama can promise all he wants, but unless we change what we do and think and feel and want, the government can not change any thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Centrist states: &#8220;This is why we have government. Because it provides that same specialization that too many of us spit out as “bureaucracy&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would argue that government actually stifles specialization and promotes sameness in thinking. Institutions are very problematic in this regard. Big corporations also suffer from the same disease of being so big that they can&#8217;t get over themselves. Government agencies are not designed to think outside the box. The creativity and problem-solving that needs to take place is rarely going to be found in government or large corporations. It&#8217;s going to be found in the Swiss patent office or Buckminster Fuller&#8217;s living room.</p>
<p>I really agree with Thoreau&#8217;s take on what moves the country forward:</p>
<p>“This government never of itself furthured an enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it (the government) got out of its (the enterprise’s) way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got it its way.”</p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t think the stimulus or trusting fixing the economy to the government will work. It will always be up to us &#8220;the People&#8221; as to whether things will change. Pres. Obama can promise all he wants, but unless we change what we do and think and feel and want, the government can not change any thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reluctant, how well do you track how your representatives vote on bills?  Do you agree with what they&#039;re actually doing?  We listen to the campaign speeches and read their &quot;position papers,&quot; but do we really know how they&#039;re performing?  You may have voted Republican, but are you getting a RINO, a John Bircher, a McCarthyist, a neo-Nazi?  I&#039;ll bet 99% of us don&#039;t know how our state reps vote on any one bill.  I know I don&#039;t.

This is why the vote without follow up pressure is so weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reluctant, how well do you track how your representatives vote on bills?  Do you agree with what they&#8217;re actually doing?  We listen to the campaign speeches and read their &#8220;position papers,&#8221; but do we really know how they&#8217;re performing?  You may have voted Republican, but are you getting a RINO, a John Bircher, a McCarthyist, a neo-Nazi?  I&#8217;ll bet 99% of us don&#8217;t know how our state reps vote on any one bill.  I know I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This is why the vote without follow up pressure is so weak.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vote can be powerful, but only if backed by action and a real claim to rights. Most of us vote based on ideology, not on reason or ideas. Most of us vote based on media propaganda, not on reality. The vote is absolutely the most &quot;watered-down&quot; form of democracy. It &quot;[has] a form of [democracy], but [lacks] the power thereof&quot; (reference to JSH). Democracy is township government. It is engaging in our rights as citizens. Most of us don&#039;t know or care what our rights are. Dave is right that it is the weakest form of democracy. It is the only form of democracy that most of us ever use...Shame on us! If we wonder why the country is moving in a liberal direction it is because most conservatives limit their democracy to their vote and listening to right-wing talk radio, while liberals are engaged in the community as activists and promoting their cause.

Hence Dave&#039;s challenge to &quot;small government types&quot; to do more than just rant and rave about pork and waste. If we want government to be smaller, get involved and supplant it with local, non-governmental social programs that fix the problems so that the People don&#039;t ask gov&#039;t to step in and do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vote can be powerful, but only if backed by action and a real claim to rights. Most of us vote based on ideology, not on reason or ideas. Most of us vote based on media propaganda, not on reality. The vote is absolutely the most &#8220;watered-down&#8221; form of democracy. It &#8220;[has] a form of [democracy], but [lacks] the power thereof&#8221; (reference to JSH). Democracy is township government. It is engaging in our rights as citizens. Most of us don&#8217;t know or care what our rights are. Dave is right that it is the weakest form of democracy. It is the only form of democracy that most of us ever use&#8230;Shame on us! If we wonder why the country is moving in a liberal direction it is because most conservatives limit their democracy to their vote and listening to right-wing talk radio, while liberals are engaged in the community as activists and promoting their cause.</p>
<p>Hence Dave&#8217;s challenge to &#8220;small government types&#8221; to do more than just rant and rave about pork and waste. If we want government to be smaller, get involved and supplant it with local, non-governmental social programs that fix the problems so that the People don&#8217;t ask gov&#8217;t to step in and do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reluctant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reluctant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right.  I need to be doing more than I currently am.

However, I&#039;m not sure that I agree with Gandhi (or you) in his assertion that the vote is weak.  The vote can be complete power.  After all, the vote is what drives the motives of most politicians. 

It&#039;s the selfishness of American society that really causes the problem.  We continue to elect officials that have power and can bring our city/state/location the most money.  We don&#039;t care about the greater good... we only care about our interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right.  I need to be doing more than I currently am.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not sure that I agree with Gandhi (or you) in his assertion that the vote is weak.  The vote can be complete power.  After all, the vote is what drives the motives of most politicians. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the selfishness of American society that really causes the problem.  We continue to elect officials that have power and can bring our city/state/location the most money.  We don&#8217;t care about the greater good&#8230; we only care about our interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reluctant, you&#039;re illustrating one of the problems I talk about above.  We focus too much on the errors and &quot;the pork&quot; and convince ourselves that, ergo, our government is doing a bad job and therefore must be shrunk.  Let&#039;s give credit for the 95% of things the govt does right, and try to change the 5% of wrong.  What are you doing to lessen the incidence of &quot;pork&quot;?

And don&#039;t tell me, &quot;I vote for XX.&quot; Gandhi also said &quot;[H]istory shows [the vote] has often turned against the voters themselves.&quot;  The vote is the weakest form of democracy.  It convinces us that we have done something, when really we haven&#039;t actually INFLUENCED anything.  And after we vote, we just wait to see where the chips fall until the mid-term election when we &quot;exercise democracy&quot; again.

In the next little while, I&#039;m going to create on my blog a list of things I want changed; state bills, etc.  I&#039;m going to write letters to my elected representatives or other persons of influence and ask the readers of my blog to copy the letters to their own representatives.  This way, the decision-makers are getting my opinion from various sources.  Gandhi (can you tell what I&#039;m reading right now?) said &quot;I should expect rulers to rule according to my wish, otherwise I cease to help them to rule me. . . .&quot;  I think every American should live by this creed.  It&#039;s time for the (public) servants to start listening to and obeying their masters (us).  But the masters need to take an active and informed role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reluctant, you&#8217;re illustrating one of the problems I talk about above.  We focus too much on the errors and &#8220;the pork&#8221; and convince ourselves that, ergo, our government is doing a bad job and therefore must be shrunk.  Let&#8217;s give credit for the 95% of things the govt does right, and try to change the 5% of wrong.  What are you doing to lessen the incidence of &#8220;pork&#8221;?</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t tell me, &#8220;I vote for XX.&#8221; Gandhi also said &#8220;[H]istory shows [the vote] has often turned against the voters themselves.&#8221;  The vote is the weakest form of democracy.  It convinces us that we have done something, when really we haven&#8217;t actually INFLUENCED anything.  And after we vote, we just wait to see where the chips fall until the mid-term election when we &#8220;exercise democracy&#8221; again.</p>
<p>In the next little while, I&#8217;m going to create on my blog a list of things I want changed; state bills, etc.  I&#8217;m going to write letters to my elected representatives or other persons of influence and ask the readers of my blog to copy the letters to their own representatives.  This way, the decision-makers are getting my opinion from various sources.  Gandhi (can you tell what I&#8217;m reading right now?) said &#8220;I should expect rulers to rule according to my wish, otherwise I cease to help them to rule me. . . .&#8221;  I think every American should live by this creed.  It&#8217;s time for the (public) servants to start listening to and obeying their masters (us).  But the masters need to take an active and informed role.</p>
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		<title>By: Reluctant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reluctant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  And the federal government has become exactly what they feared.  I think that is exactly what the Libertarians are &quot;fighting&quot; against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  And the federal government has become exactly what they feared.  I think that is exactly what the Libertarians are &#8220;fighting&#8221; against.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Dan:

I think Dave has a very valid point with his contention against the &quot;small government&quot; advocates, however. Many don&#039;t see the need for the government to provide any of these services. My point was that it is up to the localities to decide what they will do locally and if Massachusetes wants a big government, they can have one. If Utah Co. doesn&#039;t want the gov&#039;t to do anything, they can deal with the problems or positives of that.

The only government that needs to essentially be small is the one with the over-arching power. The reason that most of those who Dave said &quot;walked out&quot; of the Constitutional convention or fought against it, did so because they feared the behemoth-ness that they saw a national government becoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Dan:</p>
<p>I think Dave has a very valid point with his contention against the &#8220;small government&#8221; advocates, however. Many don&#8217;t see the need for the government to provide any of these services. My point was that it is up to the localities to decide what they will do locally and if Massachusetes wants a big government, they can have one. If Utah Co. doesn&#8217;t want the gov&#8217;t to do anything, they can deal with the problems or positives of that.</p>
<p>The only government that needs to essentially be small is the one with the over-arching power. The reason that most of those who Dave said &#8220;walked out&#8221; of the Constitutional convention or fought against it, did so because they feared the behemoth-ness that they saw a national government becoming.</p>
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