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		<title>By: Mike W.</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reluctant,

Dave's point is that all leaders who try to motivate their country for war use the same justifications. This has been happening for centuries, even eons. You could find similar quotes from Greek and Roman leaders, African strongmen, Latin American caudillos. The point is that those is power tend to abuse that power in order to promote their interest. Until the common man is willing and able to stand up (and unfortunately they are the ones who are paying the price of their life for the interests of the elite) to the power-brokers, this will not change. And the common man cannot stand up unless he gets the correct information, not the propaganda that is fed him by the official party/government line. Until we question everything that someone in power says, we will continually be dragged into bad/aggressive/pre-emptive wars in order to justify power grabs and shifts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reluctant,</p>
<p>Dave&#8217;s point is that all leaders who try to motivate their country for war use the same justifications. This has been happening for centuries, even eons. You could find similar quotes from Greek and Roman leaders, African strongmen, Latin American caudillos. The point is that those is power tend to abuse that power in order to promote their interest. Until the common man is willing and able to stand up (and unfortunately they are the ones who are paying the price of their life for the interests of the elite) to the power-brokers, this will not change. And the common man cannot stand up unless he gets the correct information, not the propaganda that is fed him by the official party/government line. Until we question everything that someone in power says, we will continually be dragged into bad/aggressive/pre-emptive wars in order to justify power grabs and shifts.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrist</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I agree that a bump in the minimum wage is a good thing (although its effects are minimal), but I wouldn't give Bush credit for it.  It was initiated by the Democrats in Congress, and was shot down until they took power and forced it through.  He simply signed the bill (I'm not sure what kind of signing statement he attached to it).

His one redeeming act could have been immigration reform, but he's lost so much "political capital" that he can't even get his own party to support his salvation.  

Some bad Presidents are bad because they don't do anything good, others because they make colossal mistakes.  Bush is the convergence of both problems in a perfect storm.  He will be remembered as THE worst president in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I agree that a bump in the minimum wage is a good thing (although its effects are minimal), but I wouldn&#8217;t give Bush credit for it.  It was initiated by the Democrats in Congress, and was shot down until they took power and forced it through.  He simply signed the bill (I&#8217;m not sure what kind of signing statement he attached to it).</p>
<p>His one redeeming act could have been immigration reform, but he&#8217;s lost so much &#8220;political capital&#8221; that he can&#8217;t even get his own party to support his salvation.  </p>
<p>Some bad Presidents are bad because they don&#8217;t do anything good, others because they make colossal mistakes.  Bush is the convergence of both problems in a perfect storm.  He will be remembered as THE worst president in history.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrist</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More interesting information on the Bush/Nazi comparison can be found at http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html.  It looks at the issue of "enhanced interrogation" techniques advocated by the Bush administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More interesting information on the Bush/Nazi comparison can be found at <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html</a>.  It looks at the issue of &#8220;enhanced interrogation&#8221; techniques advocated by the Bush administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Traveler</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Bush Jr is not intentionally bad, but he is cursed with a fatal flaw.  Hubris, one could argue, is the key to his administration's inability to make meaningful progress.  

His vast stores of political capital that were touted, and outright bragged about, earlier in the administration are long gone.  This was  to be used to reformed social security (failed), reform immigration (failed), etc.  One thing that did succeed was an increase in the minimum wage by $2.  That's great for the working poor, but middle class will continue to be squeezed while the elite pay minute percentatges in taxes.

My last point, is that I also don't think that Bush is sadistic, etc, etc, etc (all of the things listed in my previous post).  I think he is in over his head.  The problem is the result wil be the same whether he is unintentionally or inentionally bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Bush Jr is not intentionally bad, but he is cursed with a fatal flaw.  Hubris, one could argue, is the key to his administration&#8217;s inability to make meaningful progress.  </p>
<p>His vast stores of political capital that were touted, and outright bragged about, earlier in the administration are long gone.  This was  to be used to reformed social security (failed), reform immigration (failed), etc.  One thing that did succeed was an increase in the minimum wage by $2.  That&#8217;s great for the working poor, but middle class will continue to be squeezed while the elite pay minute percentatges in taxes.</p>
<p>My last point, is that I also don&#8217;t think that Bush is sadistic, etc, etc, etc (all of the things listed in my previous post).  I think he is in over his head.  The problem is the result wil be the same whether he is unintentionally or inentionally bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrist</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not comparing Bush Jr. to Hitler in terms of motivation, ambition, or sadism.  But I AM comparing their use of fear, disinformation, and glorification of war to achieve their desired objectives.  I think Bush Jr.'s objectives are more along the lines of hoarding money for the rich, creating an environment even more beneficial to the wealthy, grabbing power for the executive (and for the fourth branch of government known as the Vice Presidency), and making a name for himself as a war President.  The problem is that the other end of the stick is a falling real wage for most of the country, more of the tax burden on the middle and lower classes, a move toward legalized despotism, and $442 billion spent on a poorly-conceived, -planned, and -executed war in Iraq.  

The bottom line is, he's either unintentionally bad (incompetent) or intentionally bad (evil)--I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he's not that smart.  Either way, he doesn't belong where he is and he hasn't done any good for the country--I'm still waiting for a list from ANYONE of 5-10 things Bush has done right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not comparing Bush Jr. to Hitler in terms of motivation, ambition, or sadism.  But I AM comparing their use of fear, disinformation, and glorification of war to achieve their desired objectives.  I think Bush Jr.&#8217;s objectives are more along the lines of hoarding money for the rich, creating an environment even more beneficial to the wealthy, grabbing power for the executive (and for the fourth branch of government known as the Vice Presidency), and making a name for himself as a war President.  The problem is that the other end of the stick is a falling real wage for most of the country, more of the tax burden on the middle and lower classes, a move toward legalized despotism, and $442 billion spent on a poorly-conceived, -planned, and -executed war in Iraq.  </p>
<p>The bottom line is, he&#8217;s either unintentionally bad (incompetent) or intentionally bad (evil)&#8211;I&#8217;ll give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he&#8217;s not that smart.  Either way, he doesn&#8217;t belong where he is and he hasn&#8217;t done any good for the country&#8211;I&#8217;m still waiting for a list from ANYONE of 5-10 things Bush has done right.</p>
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		<title>By: Traveler</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll say one thing regarding Hitler and leave it that.  The man was crazy, irrational, sadistic, etc, etc, etc, but he had a brilliant understanding of how to manipulate a populace in crisis.  That is precisely how he came to power.

Though I don't draw the same comparisons of Jr to Hitler as Dave, I do see how his administration has greatly polarized America.  We have watched basic freedoms taken away due to war-time national security only to have politicians try to make them permanent.

The political parties have all radicalized.  There is no room for reason anymore.  The GOP and the Dems can't seem to find common ground on much of anything.  The art of compromise that used to be evident in the halls of Congress has all but disapeared.

The American people's political involvement has become so lassez faire that few even show up to exercise their basic right to vote.  This only further empowers the radicals from both poles.  In order to be involved with politics at the grass roots level one must adopt radical ideologies.  This isolates the rational majority and leaves power with the radical minority.  Luckily our radical minority is divided among itself in many ways, but the parallels to the above references are hauntingly familiar.  I think that is precisely the point Dave is trying to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say one thing regarding Hitler and leave it that.  The man was crazy, irrational, sadistic, etc, etc, etc, but he had a brilliant understanding of how to manipulate a populace in crisis.  That is precisely how he came to power.</p>
<p>Though I don&#8217;t draw the same comparisons of Jr to Hitler as Dave, I do see how his administration has greatly polarized America.  We have watched basic freedoms taken away due to war-time national security only to have politicians try to make them permanent.</p>
<p>The political parties have all radicalized.  There is no room for reason anymore.  The GOP and the Dems can&#8217;t seem to find common ground on much of anything.  The art of compromise that used to be evident in the halls of Congress has all but disapeared.</p>
<p>The American people&#8217;s political involvement has become so lassez faire that few even show up to exercise their basic right to vote.  This only further empowers the radicals from both poles.  In order to be involved with politics at the grass roots level one must adopt radical ideologies.  This isolates the rational majority and leaves power with the radical minority.  Luckily our radical minority is divided among itself in many ways, but the parallels to the above references are hauntingly familiar.  I think that is precisely the point Dave is trying to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Reluctant</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Reluctant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on...  The only correlation I see is the fact that you are putting them together.  The quotes  are not even comparable.  And even if they are, you cannot take quotes like this, completely out of context and try to make an argument out of it.

I'm sure there are many quotes from Adolf Hitler that we could pull out of context and make him sound like a brilliant and good world leader.  But putting them in context with surrounding content as well as actions, you see a totally different story.

I'm sorry, but this is just completely ridiculous and totally radical.  You are always criticizing the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh, but you are pulling the exact same crap.  And that's literally all it is... is complete crap.

I'll stop now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on&#8230;  The only correlation I see is the fact that you are putting them together.  The quotes  are not even comparable.  And even if they are, you cannot take quotes like this, completely out of context and try to make an argument out of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are many quotes from Adolf Hitler that we could pull out of context and make him sound like a brilliant and good world leader.  But putting them in context with surrounding content as well as actions, you see a totally different story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this is just completely ridiculous and totally radical.  You are always criticizing the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh, but you are pulling the exact same crap.  And that&#8217;s literally all it is&#8230; is complete crap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop now.</p>
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		<title>By: Centrist</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I'm only juxtaposing quotes.  If you see a relationship, it must be for the same reason I see a relationship.  I'm just saying that Bush Jr. is following (ingenuously or not) a textbook written by despots rather than the wisdom of American generals of the past who have actually seen battle (not on video or by satelite).  I think that's ironic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I&#8217;m only juxtaposing quotes.  If you see a relationship, it must be for the same reason I see a relationship.  I&#8217;m just saying that Bush Jr. is following (ingenuously or not) a textbook written by despots rather than the wisdom of American generals of the past who have actually seen battle (not on video or by satelite).  I think that&#8217;s ironic.</p>
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		<title>By: Reluctant</title>
		<link>http://www.notquitecenter.com/2007/07/09/quotes-on-war/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Reluctant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious?  Am I just reading this incorrectly, or are you actually comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Regime?

Please, please, please explain yourself... and tell me I'm mis-reading this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious?  Am I just reading this incorrectly, or are you actually comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Regime?</p>
<p>Please, please, please explain yourself&#8230; and tell me I&#8217;m mis-reading this post.</p>
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